Emotional Merry-Go-Round: And Now What Next?

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When a metaphysical scientist from Cape Town tells burnt-out executives they’re serving from an empty cup, the real question is whether anyone in the boardroom even noticed the cup was there

Based on a podcast conversation between guest Dr. Madelaine Gomes MsC.D and host Philipp Kobald.

The Boardroom Mystic Who Traded Millions for Meditation

There is a particular species of career pivot that makes LinkedIn recruiters break out in hives: the senior director who wakes up one morning, looks at the spreadsheet, looks at the mountain, and decides the mountain wins. Dr. Madelaine Gomes is that species, though her version came with considerably more turbulence than a tasteful sabbatical in Bali. A former director of a top-ten company in South Africa, Gomes lost her husband, endured what she describes as severe trauma at the hands of a crime syndicate that forced her to abandon her business and her home, and found herself sitting at a kitchen table one night asking a question that no quarterly earnings report has ever satisfactorily answered: “God, who am I?” The answer, apparently, did not involve pivot tables.

What followed was a doctoral programme in metaphysical science at a university in Sedona, Arizona — a place she did not know existed until, as she tells it, she was divinely led to it via a late-night internet search and an administrator who happened to be South African. The coincidence is almost too neat, the kind of narrative beat that would get red-penned out of a screenplay for being heavy-handed. But Gomes is not pitching a screenplay. She is pitching a fundamentally different operating system for human beings, one that starts with the roots of belief and works upward through self-esteem, heart-clearing, and conscious communication. Her programme, called I Am Possible, was first taught to women in refugee camps who had experienced severe trauma — a testing ground that makes your average corporate wellness retreat look like a spa day with complimentary cucumber water.

Foreclosures, Compassion, and the Cells That Keep Score

Kobald, to his credit, does not let the conversation float away on a cloud of agreeable nodding. He drops a grenade into the middle of the discussion by asking about lawyers who specialise in foreclosures — people whose daily work involves evicting families, including those with small children, from their homes on behalf of banks. “And then having the idea of getting in touch with the feelings,” he muses, letting the absurdity of the juxtaposition do its own heavy lifting. It is the kind of question that separates a genuine inquiry from a promotional interview, and Gomes meets it head-on rather than sidestepping into platitudes.

Her answer is unexpectedly structural rather than sentimental. She does not suggest the foreclosure lawyers should quit and become yoga instructors. Instead, she proposes they partner with shelters, churches, and support organisations so that the act of eviction comes bundled with a referral to actual help. “Resistance creates more resistance,” she says, and then lands the harder punch: “It is sitting in your cells. Everything we experience, we feel, we see, we do, it’s part of our memory. You can’t take it out. Somewhere along the line, in a heart attack, in the cancer, in the kidney failure, in the diabetes, it’s gonna come up in your body. You can’t skip it.” It is not a comfortable thing to hear, particularly if you have spent a career telling yourself that compartmentalisation is a professional skill rather than a slow-acting poison. The body, Gomes insists, does not recognise the distinction between “just doing my job” and “actively participating in someone else’s devastation.” The invoice arrives eventually. It just comes addressed to your organs instead of your inbox.

Ancestors, Baggage Carousels, and the Art of Laying It Down

The conversation’s final act turns to ancestral patterns, and here Gomes is at her most provocative. She respects the wisdom embedded in ancestral traditions — she is not suggesting anyone torch the family tree — but she is blunt about the difference between inherited wisdom and inherited emotional debt. “There’s a lot of unresolved emotions in the past that we now carry forward without knowing,” she says, and illustrates the point with a story from her current caseload: a man so desperate to break free from his family’s cyclical patterns that, when no one in the family could answer his questions about identity and belonging, he simply vanished. Day five, missing. It is a story that lands like a stone in still water, precisely because Gomes does not dramatise it. She lets the facts do the shaking.

Her argument is not that ancestors are irrelevant but that blind repetition of ancestral emotional patterns is a form of sleepwalking through history. “If as we wake up and become more aware, we can actually stop that cycle. We can say, ‘You know what? That didn’t make me feel good, so I’m not gonna do that to somebody else.’ That already is the start of a change.” It sounds deceptively simple, the kind of sentence you might scroll past on a Tuesday morning. But try applying it to the last argument you had, the last resentment you nursed, the last time you caught yourself repeating a behaviour you swore you had outgrown. The simplicity is the difficulty. Forgiveness, Gomes maintains, is not a greeting card sentiment but a structural intervention — the thing that actually makes the machinery move differently rather than just painting the rusted gears a cheerier colour.

Guest Bio Dr. Madelaine Gomes MsC.D is a doctor of metaphysical science, pranic healer, and spiritual counsellor based in Cape Town, South Africa, with 35 years of leadership and business experience, who works primarily with burnt-out executives and trauma survivors worldwide.

Closer There is something quietly radical about a woman who once negotiated millions in boardrooms now telling those same boardrooms that the negotiation they are losing is the one with their own cells. The mountain she looks at every morning from her window does not care about quarterly targets. It has been there longer than any of us, and it will be there after. The question is whether we will have spent our time here carrying someone else’s luggage or finally, mercifully, setting it down.

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