Religion Gave Me Rules. Spirit Gave Me a Hug

Bsed on a podcast with Scott Guerin and host Philipp Kobald

There’s a moment in the podcast where Scott Guerin, mid-sentence, casually mentions meeting Jesus in the King’s Chamber of the Great Pyramid. Not metaphorically. Not in a dream. Literally. Jesus. Hugging him. In space.

And somehow, that’s not even the wildest part.

This episode of Spiritual Conversation isn’t about belief — it’s about what happens when belief breaks. When the scaffolding of religion collapses and you’re left staring at the stars, wondering if anyone’s still listening. Spoiler: they are. And they might be Pleiadian.

The Gospel According to Nobody

Scott Guerin didn’t set out to become a spiritual renegade. He started, like many of us, in the pews. Lutheran, then conservative Christian. He followed the rules. Memorized the verses. Did everything “right.” And still, his life unraveled.

“I was doing everything right,” he says, “and my life still fell apart.”

That sentence should be carved into the walls of every church, temple, and yoga studio. Because it’s the moment the real journey begins — not when you’re saved, but when you’re shattered.

Meditation, Mirrors, and Midnight Messages

After religion failed him, Guerin didn’t just walk away — he walked inward. Through meditation retreats, Buddhist chants, and eventually, a practice called scrying (yes, staring into a candlelit mirror and writing what comes through). What came through was not what he expected.

“We are the Pleiadian,” the message said.

Cue the existential whiplash. But instead of running, Guerin leaned in. He began automatic writing. He started receiving downloads — ideas, outlines, entire chapters of a book he hadn’t planned to write. He didn’t ask for this. But he listened.

And then came Egypt.

The Pyramid and the Hug

Inside the Great Pyramid, Guerin lay in the sarcophagus of the King’s Chamber. He meditated. He left his body. He floated above Earth. And there, in a translucent box in space, he met his spirit team. His parents. And Jesus.

“You don’t have to kneel in front of me anymore,” Jesus said, before embracing him.

It’s the kind of story that would get you politely uninvited from most dinner parties. But in this conversation, it lands like a thunderclap of grace. Because it’s not about spectacle. It’s about healing. About reclaiming a relationship with the divine that religion had distorted.

The Science of Spirit

Guerin isn’t just channeling angels and aliens. He’s also a psychologist with a doctorate in human development. His work bridges the mystical and the measurable, the sacred and the scientific. He talks about Maslow, systems theory, and the neurological benefits of meditation with the same ease he talks about galactic DNA.

“We’re not just humans,” he says. “We’re hybrids — spiritually and biologically.”

It’s not a rejection of science. It’s an expansion of it. A refusal to let the lab coat crowd have the final word on what’s real.

Unity Consciousness and the End of Us vs. Them

At the heart of Guerin’s message is a concept that sounds simple but threatens to upend everything: unity consciousness. The idea that we are not separate. Not from each other. Not from God. Not from the beings watching us from the stars.

And yet, we live in a world built on division. On “us vs. them.” On fear.

“The first step is your inner work,” Guerin says. “That’s it. No matter how you do it.”

Shadow work. Meditation. Radical self-acceptance. It’s not glamorous. It won’t get you a TED Talk. But it might just save the world.

The Church of What’s Next

Philipp Kobald, ever the gracious host, raises the question: Can we build something new? A spiritual structure that honors tradition without becoming a prison?

Guerin thinks so. He points to the Unitarian Church. To hybrid models. To communities that prioritize love over doctrine. But he’s clear: the real temple is within.

And the real revolution? It’s not coming from pulpits or pyramids. It’s coming from people doing the quiet, messy, unglamorous work of waking up.

The Long Goodbye to Certainty

This episode isn’t a call to abandon religion. It’s a call to outgrow it. To stop outsourcing your soul to systems that were never built for your liberation. To stop waiting for permission to believe what you already know.

It’s a reminder that the divine doesn’t need your obedience. It wants your attention.

And maybe, just maybe, your hug.

Guest Bio:
Scott Guerin is a New Jersey–based author and spiritual researcher with a doctorate in psychology, whose journey from conservative Christianity to cosmic consciousness explores the intersection of human development, mysticism, and multidimensional awakening.

Watch the full episode on the @HolisticCircle YouTube channel.
Not because it’ll give you answers. But because it might finally give you permission to ask better questions.

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